On Et Cetera #1
WonderAlice007 (23:37:31): hey dude
elusiveconductor (23:37:51): hi
WonderAlice007 (23:37:58): how's it going?
elusiveconductor (23:38:04): you haven't IMed me in quite some time
elusiveconductor (23:38:06): how are you
elusiveconductor (23:38:17): oh btw i'm somewhat drunk
elusiveconductor (23:38:18): crunk
WonderAlice007 (23:38:18): i haven't been online in quite a while
elusiveconductor (23:38:21): kerplunk
WonderAlice007 (23:38:25): haha cool
elusiveconductor (23:38:30): mmmm
elusiveconductor (23:38:32): perhaps
elusiveconductor (23:38:36): i took friday off
elusiveconductor (23:38:40): i'm going upstate for a wedding
elusiveconductor (23:38:42): my cousin
WonderAlice007 (23:38:46): awesome! where upstate?
elusiveconductor (23:38:51): corning NY
elusiveconductor (23:38:58): yeehaw
WonderAlice007 (23:39:04): very cool man. are you close to this cousin?
elusiveconductor (23:39:16): not. at. all.
WonderAlice007 (23:39:22): ah
WonderAlice007 (23:39:27): that does change things slightly i suppose
elusiveconductor (23:39:36): a bit
elusiveconductor (23:40:02): but not much
WonderAlice007 (23:40:18): hope it doesn't rain for it
WonderAlice007 (23:40:35): could be, dare i say, ironic
elusiveconductor (23:40:37): me too
elusiveconductor (23:40:42): okay alanis
WonderAlice007 (23:40:52): hehe
[...]
elusiveconductor (23:43:50): lately
elusiveconductor (23:44:00): i've been consumed by the potential of my mortality
WonderAlice007 (23:44:23): woah
WonderAlice007 (23:44:26): please elaborate
elusiveconductor (23:44:47): and because i'm not extremely satisfied by my life, i've come to fear things... i think that's just the first step though... to fear death
elusiveconductor (23:44:53): the next step is to elaborate goals
elusiveconductor (23:45:09): i suppose that since about.... oh three hours ago, i've been between steps
WonderAlice007 (23:45:21): your moving quickly then
elusiveconductor (23:45:26): i hope to spend the next few weeks elaborating specific goals
elusiveconductor (23:46:04): problem is i have many and i'm only one person... striking a balance between risk/reward, abilty, effort/output etc etc
elusiveconductor (23:46:12): thats a lot for a smart person to think about right
elusiveconductor (23:46:38): but ultimately, i/we are on a timeline, things must be done: what is important and how is it done
WonderAlice007 (23:46:51): i don't really see you as someone particularly fearful of death, but i suppose i think of "fearing death" more as a general attitude than an actual fear or lack of fear. i mean, if we knew we were about to die in 2 minutes, i think just about anyone would be terrified.
elusiveconductor (23:47:09): 2 minutes
elusiveconductor (23:47:14): that's too soon to be terrified
elusiveconductor (23:47:28): terror takes time to come to life
WonderAlice007 (23:47:28): you don't think so? i was going to put 1 but didn't think that was enough
WonderAlice007 (23:47:34): how about 15
elusiveconductor (23:47:40): how about years
elusiveconductor (23:47:53): true terror is a psychological recognition
elusiveconductor (23:47:59): its a loop
elusiveconductor (23:48:02): fear is one thing
elusiveconductor (23:48:04): fear is instant
WonderAlice007 (23:48:06): there are so many distractions though
elusiveconductor (23:48:07): fear is always there
elusiveconductor (23:48:13): waiting for you to snap into it
elusiveconductor (23:48:17): but terror
elusiveconductor (23:48:24): terror is a social construct
WonderAlice007 (23:48:46): terror's more manic, i'd say
elusiveconductor (23:49:01): to me terror is the announcement on the train to be aware of etc etc but only when you're comfortable with the announcement
WonderAlice007 (23:49:03): plays into the most instinctive emotions
WonderAlice007 (23:49:10): or maybe not emotions
WonderAlice007 (23:49:14): instinctive triggers
elusiveconductor (23:49:21): terror is the waking up in the night because something might do something, and you can't stop thinking abou tit
elusiveconductor (23:49:25): yes
elusiveconductor (23:49:30): terror feeds on fear
elusiveconductor (23:49:41): arguably the most basic emotion
elusiveconductor (23:49:50): but the distinction to me
elusiveconductor (23:49:53): between terror and fear
elusiveconductor (23:51:12): is that terror is a societal dispotion, relying on a complex interplay between society and the individual psychological zones, whereas fear is simple a biologically trained behavior pattern triggering longer life
elusiveconductor (23:51:24): paranoia is the constant combination of both
WonderAlice007 (23:51:37): well said
elusiveconductor (23:51:42): i've given these things quite a lot of thought lately
WonderAlice007 (23:51:55): it shows
WonderAlice007 (23:51:58): so which are you feeling?
WonderAlice007 (23:52:03): just fear?
elusiveconductor (23:52:04): D)
elusiveconductor (23:52:39):
A) fear
B) terror
C) paranoina
D) all of the above
elusiveconductor (23:52:58): and
WonderAlice007 (23:52:58): and this is a recent thing?
elusiveconductor (23:53:02): it is
elusiveconductor (23:53:02): but
elusiveconductor (23:54:21): it is an excellent lesson in cogniscense, balance, forethought, active non-thought, collective unconscious and many other types of things i had dismissed on lack of knowledge (created or not-yet-created by lack of experience)
elusiveconductor (23:54:39): experience is our only base knowledge, which must be subverted no?
elusiveconductor (23:54:42): i
elusiveconductor (23:54:43): am
elusiveconductor (23:54:44): so
elusiveconductor (23:54:45): glad
elusiveconductor (23:54:49): i can tell you these things
elusiveconductor (23:55:20): i googled cogniscense... #5=Downing Street Says...: Michael Howard/Terror
elusiveconductor (23:55:50): i googled it because i couldn't determine if the 2nd to last letter is an S or a C
WonderAlice007 (23:56:05): michael howard/terror... intriguing...
WonderAlice007 (23:56:14): why should experience be subverted?
elusiveconductor (23:56:24): so kgb mon ami
elusiveconductor (23:56:48): it should be because
elusiveconductor (23:56:53): some facts are evident
elusiveconductor (23:57:12): the value of experience is relative
elusiveconductor (23:57:21): the value of experience is limited
WonderAlice007 (23:57:45): but aren't there occasionally things you learn only through experience?
elusiveconductor (23:57:49): yes!
elusiveconductor (23:57:55): you only learn it through experience
elusiveconductor (23:57:56): hence
WonderAlice007 (23:58:27): i see
WonderAlice007 (23:58:27): i see
elusiveconductor (23:58:36): your ability to determine its nature through objective analysis is inherently limited more than that which is learned through things that may be learned through more than a singular means
elusiveconductor (23:59:13): i always enjoy explaining things i know but haven't stated... its good, thank you
WonderAlice007 (23:59:22): so it's sorta like getting your own unique hunk of clay that you then have to shape with all the pedegogical tools of schooling.
elusiveconductor (23:59:24): muse veseel
elusiveconductor (23:59:41): hrm that could be part of it yes
elusiveconductor (23:59:50): but
elusiveconductor (0:00:33): that analysis does not (and any analysis that understands the point, even the point itself) and cannot subvert the understanding
WonderAlice007 (0:00:52): wow
WonderAlice007 (0:01:04): that's what a lot of schools of comparative literature are all about
elusiveconductor (0:01:10): ha
elusiveconductor (0:01:13): why
WonderAlice007 (0:01:26): analysis until understanding takes on a totally subjective malleability
elusiveconductor (0:01:27): why would you create a school for something that cannot be studied
elusiveconductor (0:01:41): i know: to make money, to plunder
WonderAlice007 (0:01:52): like, we analyze the crap out of a sentence until it's dissected and put together so many times that all you have is analysis and no answers
elusiveconductor (0:01:58): at least we have grown beyong physical chaos
WonderAlice007 (0:02:05): because i didn't want to major in economics
elusiveconductor (0:02:10): it is at least emotional and intellectual chaos
WonderAlice007 (0:02:21): yes, definitely
elusiveconductor (0:02:22): which is hopefully eventually undoable
elusiveconductor (0:02:35): that's the point
elusiveconductor (0:02:42): you were forced to major in something
elusiveconductor (0:02:43): when
elusiveconductor (0:02:45): in truth
elusiveconductor (0:02:50): all you are is a person
elusiveconductor (0:03:01): you insist and it is true
elusiveconductor (0:03:15): and time/history supports or denies that truth
elusiveconductor (0:03:21): until it is confirmed or denied
elusiveconductor (0:03:30): hence schooling is irrelevant
elusiveconductor (0:03:42): study is irrelevant
elusiveconductor (0:04:03): i mean this in terms of relevancy to enlightenment (or whatever you call it)
elusiveconductor (0:04:13): not... the ability to propagate
elusiveconductor (0:04:19): propogate?
elusiveconductor (0:04:23): spelling...
WonderAlice007 (0:04:25): make babies?
elusiveconductor (0:04:28): yes that
WonderAlice007 (0:04:32): yup
WonderAlice007 (0:04:41): propagate
WonderAlice007 (0:05:14): my internet suddenly slowed down significantly
WonderAlice007 (0:05:21): as i was doublechecking the spelling
elusiveconductor (0:06:23): they are going to charge you extra for talking to a known subvertive intellect
elusiveconductor (23:37:51): hi
WonderAlice007 (23:37:58): how's it going?
elusiveconductor (23:38:04): you haven't IMed me in quite some time
elusiveconductor (23:38:06): how are you
elusiveconductor (23:38:17): oh btw i'm somewhat drunk
elusiveconductor (23:38:18): crunk
WonderAlice007 (23:38:18): i haven't been online in quite a while
elusiveconductor (23:38:21): kerplunk
WonderAlice007 (23:38:25): haha cool
elusiveconductor (23:38:30): mmmm
elusiveconductor (23:38:32): perhaps
elusiveconductor (23:38:36): i took friday off
elusiveconductor (23:38:40): i'm going upstate for a wedding
elusiveconductor (23:38:42): my cousin
WonderAlice007 (23:38:46): awesome! where upstate?
elusiveconductor (23:38:51): corning NY
elusiveconductor (23:38:58): yeehaw
WonderAlice007 (23:39:04): very cool man. are you close to this cousin?
elusiveconductor (23:39:16): not. at. all.
WonderAlice007 (23:39:22): ah
WonderAlice007 (23:39:27): that does change things slightly i suppose
elusiveconductor (23:39:36): a bit
elusiveconductor (23:40:02): but not much
WonderAlice007 (23:40:18): hope it doesn't rain for it
WonderAlice007 (23:40:35): could be, dare i say, ironic
elusiveconductor (23:40:37): me too
elusiveconductor (23:40:42): okay alanis
WonderAlice007 (23:40:52): hehe
[...]
elusiveconductor (23:43:50): lately
elusiveconductor (23:44:00): i've been consumed by the potential of my mortality
WonderAlice007 (23:44:23): woah
WonderAlice007 (23:44:26): please elaborate
elusiveconductor (23:44:47): and because i'm not extremely satisfied by my life, i've come to fear things... i think that's just the first step though... to fear death
elusiveconductor (23:44:53): the next step is to elaborate goals
elusiveconductor (23:45:09): i suppose that since about.... oh three hours ago, i've been between steps
WonderAlice007 (23:45:21): your moving quickly then
elusiveconductor (23:45:26): i hope to spend the next few weeks elaborating specific goals
elusiveconductor (23:46:04): problem is i have many and i'm only one person... striking a balance between risk/reward, abilty, effort/output etc etc
elusiveconductor (23:46:12): thats a lot for a smart person to think about right
elusiveconductor (23:46:38): but ultimately, i/we are on a timeline, things must be done: what is important and how is it done
WonderAlice007 (23:46:51): i don't really see you as someone particularly fearful of death, but i suppose i think of "fearing death" more as a general attitude than an actual fear or lack of fear. i mean, if we knew we were about to die in 2 minutes, i think just about anyone would be terrified.
elusiveconductor (23:47:09): 2 minutes
elusiveconductor (23:47:14): that's too soon to be terrified
elusiveconductor (23:47:28): terror takes time to come to life
WonderAlice007 (23:47:28): you don't think so? i was going to put 1 but didn't think that was enough
WonderAlice007 (23:47:34): how about 15
elusiveconductor (23:47:40): how about years
elusiveconductor (23:47:53): true terror is a psychological recognition
elusiveconductor (23:47:59): its a loop
elusiveconductor (23:48:02): fear is one thing
elusiveconductor (23:48:04): fear is instant
WonderAlice007 (23:48:06): there are so many distractions though
elusiveconductor (23:48:07): fear is always there
elusiveconductor (23:48:13): waiting for you to snap into it
elusiveconductor (23:48:17): but terror
elusiveconductor (23:48:24): terror is a social construct
WonderAlice007 (23:48:46): terror's more manic, i'd say
elusiveconductor (23:49:01): to me terror is the announcement on the train to be aware of etc etc but only when you're comfortable with the announcement
WonderAlice007 (23:49:03): plays into the most instinctive emotions
WonderAlice007 (23:49:10): or maybe not emotions
WonderAlice007 (23:49:14): instinctive triggers
elusiveconductor (23:49:21): terror is the waking up in the night because something might do something, and you can't stop thinking abou tit
elusiveconductor (23:49:25): yes
elusiveconductor (23:49:30): terror feeds on fear
elusiveconductor (23:49:41): arguably the most basic emotion
elusiveconductor (23:49:50): but the distinction to me
elusiveconductor (23:49:53): between terror and fear
elusiveconductor (23:51:12): is that terror is a societal dispotion, relying on a complex interplay between society and the individual psychological zones, whereas fear is simple a biologically trained behavior pattern triggering longer life
elusiveconductor (23:51:24): paranoia is the constant combination of both
WonderAlice007 (23:51:37): well said
elusiveconductor (23:51:42): i've given these things quite a lot of thought lately
WonderAlice007 (23:51:55): it shows
WonderAlice007 (23:51:58): so which are you feeling?
WonderAlice007 (23:52:03): just fear?
elusiveconductor (23:52:04): D)
elusiveconductor (23:52:39):
A) fear
B) terror
C) paranoina
D) all of the above
elusiveconductor (23:52:58): and
WonderAlice007 (23:52:58): and this is a recent thing?
elusiveconductor (23:53:02): it is
elusiveconductor (23:53:02): but
elusiveconductor (23:54:21): it is an excellent lesson in cogniscense, balance, forethought, active non-thought, collective unconscious and many other types of things i had dismissed on lack of knowledge (created or not-yet-created by lack of experience)
elusiveconductor (23:54:39): experience is our only base knowledge, which must be subverted no?
elusiveconductor (23:54:42): i
elusiveconductor (23:54:43): am
elusiveconductor (23:54:44): so
elusiveconductor (23:54:45): glad
elusiveconductor (23:54:49): i can tell you these things
elusiveconductor (23:55:20): i googled cogniscense... #5=Downing Street Says...: Michael Howard/Terror
elusiveconductor (23:55:50): i googled it because i couldn't determine if the 2nd to last letter is an S or a C
WonderAlice007 (23:56:05): michael howard/terror... intriguing...
WonderAlice007 (23:56:14): why should experience be subverted?
elusiveconductor (23:56:24): so kgb mon ami
elusiveconductor (23:56:48): it should be because
elusiveconductor (23:56:53): some facts are evident
elusiveconductor (23:57:12): the value of experience is relative
elusiveconductor (23:57:21): the value of experience is limited
WonderAlice007 (23:57:45): but aren't there occasionally things you learn only through experience?
elusiveconductor (23:57:49): yes!
elusiveconductor (23:57:55): you only learn it through experience
elusiveconductor (23:57:56): hence
WonderAlice007 (23:58:27): i see
WonderAlice007 (23:58:27): i see
elusiveconductor (23:58:36): your ability to determine its nature through objective analysis is inherently limited more than that which is learned through things that may be learned through more than a singular means
elusiveconductor (23:59:13): i always enjoy explaining things i know but haven't stated... its good, thank you
WonderAlice007 (23:59:22): so it's sorta like getting your own unique hunk of clay that you then have to shape with all the pedegogical tools of schooling.
elusiveconductor (23:59:24): muse veseel
elusiveconductor (23:59:41): hrm that could be part of it yes
elusiveconductor (23:59:50): but
elusiveconductor (0:00:33): that analysis does not (and any analysis that understands the point, even the point itself) and cannot subvert the understanding
WonderAlice007 (0:00:52): wow
WonderAlice007 (0:01:04): that's what a lot of schools of comparative literature are all about
elusiveconductor (0:01:10): ha
elusiveconductor (0:01:13): why
WonderAlice007 (0:01:26): analysis until understanding takes on a totally subjective malleability
elusiveconductor (0:01:27): why would you create a school for something that cannot be studied
elusiveconductor (0:01:41): i know: to make money, to plunder
WonderAlice007 (0:01:52): like, we analyze the crap out of a sentence until it's dissected and put together so many times that all you have is analysis and no answers
elusiveconductor (0:01:58): at least we have grown beyong physical chaos
WonderAlice007 (0:02:05): because i didn't want to major in economics
elusiveconductor (0:02:10): it is at least emotional and intellectual chaos
WonderAlice007 (0:02:21): yes, definitely
elusiveconductor (0:02:22): which is hopefully eventually undoable
elusiveconductor (0:02:35): that's the point
elusiveconductor (0:02:42): you were forced to major in something
elusiveconductor (0:02:43): when
elusiveconductor (0:02:45): in truth
elusiveconductor (0:02:50): all you are is a person
elusiveconductor (0:03:01): you insist and it is true
elusiveconductor (0:03:15): and time/history supports or denies that truth
elusiveconductor (0:03:21): until it is confirmed or denied
elusiveconductor (0:03:30): hence schooling is irrelevant
elusiveconductor (0:03:42): study is irrelevant
elusiveconductor (0:04:03): i mean this in terms of relevancy to enlightenment (or whatever you call it)
elusiveconductor (0:04:13): not... the ability to propagate
elusiveconductor (0:04:19): propogate?
elusiveconductor (0:04:23): spelling...
WonderAlice007 (0:04:25): make babies?
elusiveconductor (0:04:28): yes that
WonderAlice007 (0:04:32): yup
WonderAlice007 (0:04:41): propagate
WonderAlice007 (0:05:14): my internet suddenly slowed down significantly
WonderAlice007 (0:05:21): as i was doublechecking the spelling
elusiveconductor (0:06:23): they are going to charge you extra for talking to a known subvertive intellect
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